Why is there no evidence of the spiritual realm?

This was the original question: "I've never seen any evidence of any kind of spiritual realm. Slight feelings while worship music plays can be reproduced during a movie scene with good music."

I agree. I don't put much stock in folks that claim big emotional "spiritual" experiences. When someone cites their spiritual experience, I usually counter with, "that works for you but only you." In fact I said that to my friend Jon today at Lunch. He was explaining that he felt drawn to God. I said, "but what happens if someone doesn't feel that?"


The church has made a mess of things. The bible does not promise us that we should "feel" something when we are given eternal life. I know that's what we were taught at baptist churches, but I don't find that anywhere in scripture. What I find in scripture is this:

believe in Jesus = have eternal life. 

It's possible that for some people, the moment they believe is an emotional experience. However, it wasn't for me. The bible doesn't teach that it should be. 

I kind of gag when I hear pastors, or music leaders say, "Can't you feel the presence of God in this place?" I normally want to shout out, "No more than any other place."

In the Old Testament, the presence of God was OBVIOUS. It came with fire, or lightning, or smoke, and often all of the above. In the new testament when God's spirit was present it was OBVIOUS. Flaming tongues over heads, people healed, blind seeing. 

What we claim today is a mockery of what used to be (my opinion). Preachers who want to manipulate claim great powers, but it's a shell of what it once was. Paul said this. 

in the last days perilous times will come:  For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, ...(the list goes on) lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!  For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 

It's my opinion that most who claim you should be able to feel some emotion that's connected to the spiritual realm, are either trying to manipulate you, or just repeating something they've heard someone else say. 

So using emotions as evidence for the spiritual realm doesn't work for me. The realities that scripture talks about seem much more foundational than the arbitrary experience of emotions. 

I think it would be helpful to define what "evidence of the spiritual realm" would look like. 

For me, Jesus' existence is evidence of the spiritual realm (although I have not seen him or touched him)

My faith happens in my head. There is very little emotional component. I'm grateful, and I'm excited about what's to come, but that's not why I'm saved. I'm saved because of what I believe. 

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